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Post by David on Aug 17, 2007 9:07:08 GMT 8
Ok lah, supergran it shall be. But granpa Tarence sound nicer laa... haa, haa...
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Post by tarence on Aug 17, 2007 9:51:09 GMT 8
if i ever see you Lisham, i`ll hit you on the head with my tongkat.
David, you watch out tonite at pizza hut tmn tun....
*smile*
btw, i want new droseras !!!! can`t wait for my seeds to germinate...it`s only been 10 days so far....
fyi, from the 25 varieties Lau bought , only 2 types germinated. but his conditions and humidity levels may not have been conducive. he`s also included some temperate seeds which may have needed stratification or cooler or diff conditions to sprout.
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Post by lisham on Aug 17, 2007 14:07:42 GMT 8
if i ever see you Lisham, i`ll hit you on the head with my tongkat. David, you watch out tonite at pizza hut tmn tun.... *smile* btw, i want new droseras !!!! can`t wait for my seeds to germinate...it`s only been 10 days so far.... fyi, from the 25 varieties Lau bought , only 2 types germinated. but his conditions and humidity levels may not have been conducive. he`s also included some temperate seeds which may have needed stratification or cooler or diff conditions to sprout. Eeek.. ala... please dont hurt me with ur tongkat/run me over with your wheelchair ler babe... FYI... you're the handsomest granpa I've ever seen... what's ur secret? U come to langkawi I'll treat u balitong and steamboat... Ok? Wah... pizza? tonight? drool. |
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Post by David on Aug 17, 2007 22:47:16 GMT 8
Eh, what about the rest of us Lisham? No balitong and steamboat for us when we go to Langkawi?  By the way, Tarence did tried to hit me with his tongkat tonight. But to me delight every time he lift his tongkat up to hit me he went out ballance and had to use his tongkat again. Poor old grandpa Tarence... oh it's supergran. |
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Post by lisham on Aug 17, 2007 23:25:57 GMT 8
Steamboat and balitong? Got... got david.... of course... bring spare plants for me ok?
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Post by lisham on Aug 19, 2007 14:05:52 GMT 8
Fyi... I took a cutting from both d. adelaea and d. spatulata a month ago... D. adelaea cutting is sprout babies... I think 3 babies are now visible and looks like plantlets and more bumps (not sure if these are plantlets or not). The d. spatulata leaf cutting is still green after a month but not sign of growth yet...
I got a question... Two actually....
1. Anybody here ever tried "leaf cutting in water propagation" for drosera? Namely D. adelaea and d. spatulata?
2. If so... How do you treat the cuttings when it sprouts? When is the best time/size to start planting the plantlets out?
I just snip the leaves and put them in those jelly containers with cover half filled with rested tap water and put these in a bright spot (no direct sunlight).
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Post by artificialive on Aug 19, 2007 14:34:31 GMT 8
Hi Lisham, I had propagated D. Adelae but not from the water method. U can see it hereI cant remember exactly how big the adelae babies when i transplant it, but i think they were very little at that time, about 1 cm in height. Transplanting them each by cutting the mother leaf is a bit tricky. Use VERY sharp scissors/ blades. Sometimes u cant get exactly one baby per cutting because they are very small. Maybe 2-3 babies per cutting. The second time i tried to propagate it thru leaf cutting is by cutting them into smaller pieces before sowing them. It is easier to isolate the babies when they sprout  |
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Post by lisham on Aug 19, 2007 14:43:29 GMT 8
Hey artificialive... Thanks for the info... This is my first try propagating drosera... Just got them like 2 months ago me think... was going through cpuk site methinks wehn I come across this articile saying that's it's possible to propagate drosera through leaf cutting soaked in water... Just trying to get more plants of the same species...  It worked... I think the first visible plantlet is just 3 mm tall but they're growing fast... cos last week I checked it was only a slight bump on the leaf... I was not using the best of leaf to start with... The one i used was bitten by grasshopper me think, got a bite mark right in the middle of the leaf.... |
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Post by artificialive on Aug 19, 2007 14:54:29 GMT 8
Congrats for ur first batch of adelae babies! hehe I was excited and amazed to see them sprout from the leaves for the first time  A lot of growers propagate droseras and even VFT using the water method, but personally i dont (anyway, i havent tried). This is mainly becos, in my opinion, it will be a bit harder for the babies to acclimatize with its new surroundings when we transplant them (100% humidity down to around 80% humidity). Dont want alot of casualties tho Anyway, do report your progress Lisham, would like to know more about water propagation! |
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Post by lisham on Aug 19, 2007 16:59:25 GMT 8
Thanks man... wokay... will do... I'll report more as I go through.
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Post by lisham on Aug 20, 2007 8:14:05 GMT 8
Ok... My d. indica is trying to "mate" again... Just checked the plant, it's putting out another set of flowers... I know we've been through this before... I'm going to keep the flowers this time...
So the questions are-
1. Is it possible for me to have the flower and the original plant?
2. If keeping the plant after flowering is not possible, how do I polinate the flower and how to deal with them, to make them produce viable seeds?
3. After flowering, how do I know if the flower is turning into seed pods, how long for the seed pods to mature and ready for seed collection and how to collect the seeds?
4. Assuming the flower resulted in seeds, how to germinate them?
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Post by tarence on Aug 20, 2007 8:33:32 GMT 8
Lisham : to the best of my memory, d.indica`s flowers will produce seeds so at least there`s some benefit from weakening the mother plant by letting it flower. But i think d.indica can also be propagated by leaf cutting ( i haven`t tried but will try soon, from experience it looks like it can be propagated easily via leaf cutting ) so you might want to let the plant get more robust & stronger before letting it flower. Meanwhile, you can try via cuttings.
Savage garden says that only d.regia and d.burmanii won`t propagate via leaf. So i guess the rest of the sundew varieties is possible.
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Post by hongrui on Aug 20, 2007 10:44:28 GMT 8
Lisham, 1. D. indica is a strict annual, meaning it'd die after flowering. 2. D. indica self-pollinates so you don't have to do anything, but to have a good seed set, you may want to protect the flowers from rain (if they're exposed). my experience is that flowers that open during rain = smaller seed pods. 3. the seed pods formed are green, they'd be mature when the individual pods turn black halfway. usually that's when i collect them and store the pods till they dry and turn black entirely, before splitting them to obtain the seeds. but if i'm mailing them out, i'd mail them out right after collection. they'd dry out while they're in envelopes.  4. simply sow them on your drosera potting mix, keep the pot on a water tray. leave the pot in a bright area, protected by rain and you should see baby D. indica in 2 weeks. |
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Post by lisham on Aug 21, 2007 8:38:13 GMT 8
Ok... Thanks hongrui for the advice... Now back to my lonely d. spatulata which is sprouting babies in the middle of its' leaves... The pix.... Enjoy.... (Can you see the babies? They're somewhere on the leaves at the bottom of the pix)     My experiment trying to propagate d. adelaea leaf cutting in water... (it's alive... it's alive.... it's aaaaaaaliiiiivvveeee.... such a drama!)  And another shot of the lucky d. indica...  |
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Post by tarence on Aug 21, 2007 9:04:54 GMT 8
yeah i see it......mmmm.....haven`t noticed that in my plants before. either i`m not observant enuff or there are just too many spats in my garden or the leaves of my spats are not touching the medium....thx for letting me know Lisham....
btw, your collection is indeed growing.........and growing.....and.....
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Post by lisham on Aug 21, 2007 10:02:05 GMT 8
yeah i see it......mmmm.....haven`t noticed that in my plants before. either i`m not observant enuff or there are just too many spats in my garden or the leaves of my spats are not touching the medium....thx for letting me know Lisham.... btw, your collection is indeed growing.........and growing.....and..... Yes, it's growing, growing and multiplying... It's all your fault Tarence... You shouldn't have introduced me to the cute furry little insect eaters... Not that it's a bad thing to intro me to them any way. ;D Tried and tested... spats will sprout from it's leaves (cutting or otherwise...) if you let the leaves be in contact with moist spagmoss... Tried and tested... D. adelaea will sprout in *tap water (boiled and cooled, left overnite). The Method Just pour 1-2" of water into those clear food container, snip a leaf or two, pick the most bestest leaves with less leftover insect(s) sticking to it... Remember the goo/dew doesn't feel like fun on fingertips... Use tweezers. Make sure you soak the leaves instead of just floating in the water. Cover the container. Put somewhere bright. Forget about it for a while. If it's still green after a week, then it might work... If it turns brown... Congratulations... it's not working... If the water turns green... Change it... Wokay Tarence... that information will cost you half a dozen of cp of your choice... Wait a minute... did u just said u got too many spats? you got my address.... Tarence... that is the joy of using tweezers and brow scisors to trim and pluck spag moss on your cp... You tend to notice things... Let's just say our spat at my place is one very well groomed spat... ekekekeke.... Yeah... my collection is currently growing... Now got neps department (being halted for a while, i learned from the best, that'll be tarence- now I realised my space constrain is getting more and more obvious, so now I'm concertrating on other depts), drosera dept, sara dept, ping dept. Like goverment establisment pulak... p/s: I've become somewhat like a mad scientist armed with clear plastic food containers, tweezers and scisors already. Now am experimenting with d. indica and paradoxa... |
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Post by artificialive on Aug 21, 2007 10:56:19 GMT 8
Hi Lisham, how much sprout does the adelae leaf produces using the water propagation method?
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Post by lisham on Aug 21, 2007 11:01:36 GMT 8
Yo artifialive...
I counted three... Three identifiable as plantlets... Still got bumps on the original cutting... More might be coming...
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Post by tarence on Aug 21, 2007 12:49:43 GMT 8
yeah Lisham, good work with them tweezers, i don`t see spag moss bits clinging for dear life everywhere now....heheh. i know the methodology laa, just too lazy to try as my spat & adelae propagate quite au naturel i.e. roots, seeds so no need to try anything else...so far, i only use moist spag moss method, works fine so far. happy propagating Lisham ! the insects population in Langkawi will dip drastically soon if your mad scientist ways continue. |
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Post by lisham on Aug 21, 2007 12:56:37 GMT 8
hehehe... Tarence... notice or not my d. indica and ping got lots of those smallish flying insects? The trick is to go and buy some fresh fruits and just put it close to your death rack (the rack where u put your cp la) It works... No smell, so no disease carrying flies... They attract fruit flies only... Better thansalted fish aka ikan masin. |
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