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Post by lisham on Jun 20, 2008 2:28:33 GMT 8
wait haaa.... I know staghorn ferns.... But havent really notice this until i saw tarences' pix...
1 question... what are those pair of astro-dish shaped leaves ah?
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 8:06:27 GMT 8
Hi lisham,
I guess you are speaking of the roundish leaf-like appendages on the first two pictures? If so, those are the spore-pads of P. Ridleyii. There is another species that also does this but I can't remember which one! Most (or all) the others have their spore patches located somewhere on the fertile fronds (downward hanging leaves). I find that the location of the spore patches on the leaf is often a very good indicator of the species. I have a really good, simple line drawing guide to spore patch location in a Thai language fern book which I'll try to photograph and post soon.
One of my suppliers just sent me a book by Roy Vail titled 'Platycerium Hobbyist's Handbook' and I can't recommend it enough. He's honest enough to admit that the same things don't always work in different locations/conditions and he provides loads more useful information than I've ever seen in one book. The second half of the book is quite detailed information on each species. I'll be reading late into the night!
Shawn
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 8:54:36 GMT 8
Ok, show time! Here's some of my recent orders of Platyceriums from 3 different growers here in Thailand. All are 'spore-grown', none are from Jungle rip-off artists! I would be happy to recommend any of the three suppliers. All of them did a great job packing and I had very little damage.     packing;  P. ellessi;  P. lemionei;  P. paul webber  P. wandae;  P. vassei - ;  P. elephantotsi;  P. lemoine;  P. veitchii - silver  P. wandae;  P. panama;  P. vassei;  P. ellisii;  P. wandae;  and T. ionantha;   ;D  ;D ;D |
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 9:49:12 GMT 8
Ok, here are the spore-patch diagrams. If you need a clearer picture PM me and I will e-mail them.   ps - Lisham, the "other" species with the dish-like spore patches is P. coronarium! |
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Post by lisham on Jun 20, 2008 10:42:09 GMT 8
Aiyo.... I have to add shawnintland into my "click with caution" list la.... So poisonous la the pix....  |
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Post by tarence on Jun 20, 2008 13:40:38 GMT 8
Shawn, that`s a lot of staghorns ! i don`t believe i`ve even seen more than half of them. zoweeee.....one of my fav is not there tho...the australian p. superbum ?
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 15:29:57 GMT 8
Shawn, that`s a lot of staghorns ! i don`t believe i`ve even seen more than half of them. zoweeee.....one of my fav is not there tho...the australian p. superbum ? Yep Tarence, I call it "Platicerieum Delerium"! I tried to order mostly different ones from each supplier with only a few 'overlaps'. My porch, which is generally packed with Neps seedlings, Droseras, Dischidia and fern sporelings is now absolutely crammed full! I have to wait on P. superbum until I have more space - my older staghorns have filled most of the big trees around the house already! Believe it or not - they had more species and cultivars that I didn't order! (Yet!) I can't stress enough how useful I'm finding the "Platyceriun Hobbyist's Handbook" by Roy Vail (sent by one of the suppliers and available online). Just loaded with good info that I haven't seen elsewhere. I had to run to the lumber mill this morning to pick up some timbers for building and the guys had an old log of Mango wood laying around so they cut it into slabs for me to use in mounting some of the Platys. Should be finished by sometime next week! If anyone wants info on the suppliers just let me know. All three tried their best to help me in English although they would prefer Thai! They each have a web page with their available plants and most all have at least the names listed in English. One supplier, Khun Wanna, has an Agri-supply business and grows Platys as a hobby. She introduced me to "Physan 20" which is a complete; Algaecide/Fungicide/Virucide/disinfectant/sanitizer and deodorizer in one! She recommended treating each sporeling with it upon transplanting and for use on the fungus/molds we've all been talking about in our spore/seedling culture boxes. It was 380 baht (about US$12) for a 16 fluid ounce bottle and the dilution rate is something like 1 teaspoon/ 1 gallon water, so it lasts a long time. Probably good for our Neps seedlings as well. ;D |
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Post by tarence on Jun 20, 2008 16:59:14 GMT 8
Shawn, what does a deodorizer do ? for a plant i mean.....heheh.
Gosh, i wish i had your garden space to hold me stags. i usually mount mine on a slab ( a square piece of wood, drilled with 8 holes, then tie the stag to it with rope ) of wood. usually the wood would rot after a bit & the whole stag collapse or fall off. that`s when i have problems mounting them again coz they would be huge & heavy. timber slabs would be ideal but we have space constraint. sigh.
i guess we are partially responsible for the overload of droseras & neps at your place yah ? haha. naw, i don`t feel guilty at all.
you`ll be busy sorting the new plants out. have fun !
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Post by Robert on Jun 20, 2008 18:11:47 GMT 8
shawn, so many and from different country  |
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 18:17:06 GMT 8
Shawn, what does a deodorizer do ? for a plant i mean.....heheh. ... i guess we are partially responsible for the overload of droseras & neps at your place yah ? haha. naw, i don`t feel guilty at all. It helps them from getting complaints about "under-stem odor" I guess! I wish I had planted a few more big trees years ago to hang all these stags from now! It's hard to believe but I'm running out of places to put them! I decided to put about 2/3 of the Platys in wooden hanging baskets so they can stand up for a while until they root-in better, then I'll try turning them sideways to hang correctly. The rest I'm mounting on the mango slabs. I said to the guys at the mill that I wanted hardwood slabs, they suggested the old mango that they had laying around. We have termites from hell here and anything soft-wood has a life expectancy of under a year! Well, I tried to unload a bunch of stuff on you, but it sounded like David ended up with most of it! Don't worry, I'll get you back yet! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 18:26:06 GMT 8
shawn, so many and from different country Hi Robert! Yes, I wanted to try some of the African species and those from Madagascar. I haven't gone very deep into the South American forms yet, maybe next year. No telling how they will hold up here in Koh Samui but I'll do my best to make 'em happy! Now that I understand how to create Platy crosses I'm looking forward to them getting big enough to spore, it should be interesting to see what develops. A few of these species are prone to making 'pups' early, even found one growing out of the side of one of the 4" pots! I know I've mentioned it in almost every post today but, try to find Roy Vail's book if you are into Platys! Shawn |
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Post by Robert on Jun 20, 2008 18:30:23 GMT 8
yeah will ty to find the book in the local book store. making cross among the different platy is challenging and this was one of the interesting part of growing them.
shawn from the diagram most platy 's spores are dish like? For others like andinum or bifurcatum how do you wrap and collect the spores when they start producing?
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Post by shawnintland on Jun 20, 2008 18:52:12 GMT 8
yeah will ty to find the book in the local book store. making cross among the different platy is challenging and this was one of the interesting part of growing them. shawn from the diagram most platy 's spores are dish like? For others like andinum or bifurcatum how do you wrap and collect the spores when they start producing? Robert, If you have trouble finding the book, do a search on the internet. The author sells them direct. I think that most Platys spores are on the fertile fronds and only P. Ridleyi and P. coranarium have the roundish spore pads. I generally have not done any wrapping to collect them (from Platycerium that is). I have them all within walking distance of my house so I just keep an eye on them when they develop and when the time is right they just fall out onto a sheet of paper when I tap them. I often get loads of stellate hairs and sporangia as well, but it's never been a problem. Some people put it all in a jar with a piece of a woman's nylon stocking over the top with a rubberband and shake the spores out...this sounds good to me as I don't get very even coverage of my containers with my method. I've also been using finely chopped sphagnum and am only now going to switch to peat (Just bought a giant bag with my Platy order). From pictures I've seen of other people's sporelings on peat I think they are much happier. Good luck! |
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Post by Robert on Jun 20, 2008 21:19:48 GMT 8
Thanks Shawn i already did a search, and yup he sells direct.
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